Two proms could be offered to students in an Indiana town this spring.
Several parents and students at Sullivan High School in Sullivan, Ind., recently met at a church to discuss holding a separate prom—one that would ban gay students from attending, according to NBC 2 in Terra Haute, Ind.
"We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a local student told the television station.
Several pastors in the community support the idea, according to the TV station, as does a special education teacher at a nearby school system. According to theindychannel.com, Diana Medley, who teaches at nearby North Central Jr./Sr. High School in the Northeast School Corporation, told NBC 2 that she doesn't believe anyone is born gay.
"We don't agree with it (homosexuality), and it's offensive to us," Medley told the TV station. "Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don't agree with them, but I care about them. It's the same thing with my special needs kids. I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason."
The issue has gained a lot of attention outside _the city of just more than 4,200_. More than 23,000 Facebook users as of Tuesday evening had “liked” a page titled Support the Sullivan High School Prom for All Students. Also among those speaking out against the separate prom is media pundit Dan Savage, who in a blog post [Warning: Language may not be safe for work] encouraged readers to email school administrators to speak up in defense of gay students.
Since the meeting at the church, the high school’s principal weighed in on the matter, saying that no one will be banned from the prom.
"That's not your business to question whether or not two girls can go to the prom together," Sullivan High School Principal David Springer told WTHI TV.
Meanwhile, WTHI reports that the group that met at the church will continue to look into alternative prom options.
Should there be separate proms for straight students and gay students?
Share what’s on your mind with us, and then return here to see what your neighbors in Paulding, Douglas and Cobb have said.
Jazmine Heard
8:12 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
I've heard of this before. We used to do this a long time ago except there were separate proms for black and white people. The cycle of hatred keeps repeating. When will we learn?
Desirae Johnson
8:12 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
It is never OK to discriminate against any person for any reason.
Greg T
9:58 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Never discriminate against say a child molester teaching children? NAMBLA is the association for the North American of Man/Boy Love Association that wants to remove the age limitation for sexual relations of minors and adults therefore removing the laws restricting a "loving" sexual relationship between a 12 year old boy and a 50 year old man. Is it ok to discriminate against those men who want to "love" ,via sexual acts, boys?
Charles Schwable
9:57 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Desirae,
I disagree with you totally, I as my parents taught me with their morals which my parents were born in the 1920's to stay away and never condone or have them in any relations, business, etc, I am not concerned how much the US government says I must accept them I won't! They are disgusting and repulsive!
JamesMichael
8:36 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@Jazmine @ Desirae
Nice going. Beautiful. True decency.
You'll get slammed, no doubt, for your "insolent" affront to Christian values...
...but only by those who, blinded by the word, are blind to The Word.
You're living the right kind of lives.
Travel well and happily.
Chuck Anziulewicz
9:47 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
A local TV reporter asked Diana Medley if she thought Gay people had a purpose in life. Her response was, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it." And this woman is a public school teacher? A SPECIAL ED teacher? She is an embarrassment to the teaching profession. Anyone who wonders why so many Gay young people end up taking their own lives need to look no further than Ms. Medley.
JamesMichael
9:57 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
...but she's a God-fearing Christian, doncha know? She loves jeezus. Her heart belongs to jeezus. jeezus is her guide. So she must be doing what's right. jeezus would want to ban the gays... those sodomites, those abominations, those homos with pervert ways and sadam and gomorrow designs. She loves the gays... jeezus would want her to... but he sure as heck doesn't want'em flashing their sickness in public where all the pretty pretty girls and boys are dancing and laughing and having such a grand time at the church pickanick... ooops... prom. I mean, enough is enough... she has nothing against the gays. She loves them. Heck even jeezus loves them. But they gotta know their place... and their place is in the closet, or in the 9th circle of hell with the fire and the pokers and the devil horns and all that.
Praise jeezus!
Hallelujah!
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera
Karlee Sawyer
2:07 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Shouldn't everyone's "purpose in life" be to be the best person, the most loving and kind person, the most caring, helpful and understanding person they CAN be?
Some people like Ms Medley will just never realize that purpose themselves.
Charles Schwable
12:38 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Chuck, I disagree with all you have stated so I will never accept those type of students or their young age being same sex attracted disturbs me greatly, As a special ED teacher she is doing what is right in God's eyes.
Steph
9:59 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
I am a Christian who believes homosexuality is a sin. That being said: Why do you need a separate prom!? There's not separate a prom for the virgins and non-virgins! And sex before marriage is the same level of sin to me as homosexuality. So until there's separate proms for the virgins and non-virgins (and let's face it, sadly we know which one would be smaller :P ) you have no right to segregate based on ANY sexual preference.
JamesMichael
10:23 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Fair enough, Steph.
Charles Schwable
4:38 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
Well Steph as a older person I would not want to be around them either!!! I am also a military service member from the post Vietnam era in my youth my parents instructed me not to have anything to do with homo's or lesbians so that is my foundation whether I lean on my Christian faith or not! I will not work with one, go to school with one, or be neighbors with one!
JamesMichael
10:22 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@ Greg T
Although she did not make it explicit, Desirae was presumably addressing discrimination against others based upon who they are. That you failed to accord her the dignity of fair reading witnesses something rather mean-spirited about you.
Greg T
1:32 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
JamesMichael, as your other posts show, you lack dignity.
I simply pointed out the absurdity of her statement. There are homosexual groups out there who would like to eliminate all barriers to for sexual exploitation. We can't just check our brains at the door because of political correctness.
Today, the homosexual community is very well endorsed and employed. They aren't some fringe group on the outside of our political or social powerhouses. Homosexuals openly serve as our Senators and Representatives, while being endorsed by our President . Homosexuals run media outlets, Hollywood and all forms of communications throughout the country. Homosexuals are far from an outcast group. I don't here those homosexuals in positions of power denouncing NAMBLA or other homosexual groups like them. Homosexuals are not afraid, they are on the attack and have an agenda. It is not enough to leave them alone, they demand prominence. They demand that all people accept and endorse their lifestyle. They tolerate no other position.
Karen Sawyer
11:28 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Perhaps the people who discriminate against their fellow humans who love and live differently than themselves, should hold their OWN prom for ONLY the intolerant, bigoted and small-minded beings they are.
Brad Bridges
12:16 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
So a guy in a pink tie and vest could attend as long as he had a girl with him?
Seriously, what next? Ban them from the classroom? Ban them from the school bus? Theater groups, band practice? Perhaps teaching in a private Christian school would be the answer if someone's sexuality bothers them that much, not somewhere where public tax dollars are spent for the public...
Pete
1:44 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@ Greg - to associate all gays with NAMBLA is a stretch as it is, unless you are trying to pigeon hole all as deviants, which it sounds like. And for them to denounce it means?
I mean, the Catholic Church comes out and denounces the group you speak of, yet also pay off for silence within their own for those that perpetrated abuse that NAMBLA encourages..
The Boy Scouts denounce it, yet have hidden abuse for decades, the very abuse you say NAMBLA stands for.
I don't understand your correlation - are you speaking about a powerful lobby group as an enabler, or as a lifestyle being conducive towards underage abuse? Or to patronize you by being as hypocritical as the others?
Greg T
2:28 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Where is the line Pete?
Who's moral compass? What is the end game? Homosexuality has accepted dark sides. The Boy Scouts and Catholic Church denounced those abuses which NAMBLA wants to legitimize. What is your point but to take my point out of context and defame those organizations? Both of those organizations maintain beliefs that pedophilia is morally wrong regardless if some within their organizations fail to follow those tenants.
I'm trying to show that we've gotten to a place where we no longer think about what else is going to get acceptance. Will our society embrace polygamy now? Will cougars become normal? There are TV shows about these lifestyles. How far do we go as a society? Why are we simply accepting these lifestyles as normal without debating their merits? If it is just about feelings, then there are many things to get legitimized regardless of the consequences.
The statements made here show that heterosexuals don't have a right to associate only with heterosexuals, therefore it is not possible for me to ignore the situation. I cannot simply go out without homosexuals if I so choose. I've read the comments. I must accept homosexuals and homosexuality or be labeled as if I were a racist.
I must therefore question what is next and ask that others stop and think.
Pete
8:54 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
Greg, my point is, even if GLAAD or NGLTF or any other same sex based group came out against NAMBLA, in your mind it would hold no weight because to you Homosexuality = Pedophilia..
My point is the denouncement by the other groups holds as much meaning if you are going to focus on only the part of the group that fits your agenda - it's absolutely context - for you to concentrate on the 1-2% of all homosexuals that may be predators is equal to my focusing on the 1-2% of RCC or Boy Scouts that are are also predators.. I hope you understand my intent..
If you want to debate the merits, I am all for it - Within homosexuality, there is as much monogamy as there is fringe - no different than heterosexuality. This is the double standard that sickens me.. Go back into the Bible, and you'll see cougars and bobcats have been part of history for 1000's of years. A older man/younger woman is morally acceptable, but an older woman/younger man isn't?
Old Testament Bible shows people with many wives. If I was to take everything I've read in the bible literally and verbatim, wouldn't this make polygamy ok?
A stagnant society dies.. At some point, we need to evolve..
Greg T
10:40 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
Pete,
You know me already. How wonderful. What's for breakfast?
I haven't only focused on NAMBLA; you have. I've mentioned polygamy and older men marrying 12 year old girls as accepted norms in other societies. The only reason you're pigeonholing me to my NAMBLA comment is to build a straw man argument to demonize me and therefore my argument. You don't mind attacking the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church through a minority of their members.
Merits haven't been discussed much. The Bible shows the folly of leaders without endorsing their lifestyle choices. I've not read to many religious or political documents that deal honestly with the sins of their own like the Bible does, but you've turned that around to mean that the Bible endorses polygamy and marriage with teenage girls. You're doing what you decry me for doing.
So where does our society need to evolve? What does it look like, this utopia? It sounds like even utopia for you would be bad if it didn't "evolve" to something else. I'm the only one to ask the question of where is this all leading. I'll ask again, what is the end-game? Who gets to decide. Whose moral compass do we use? And why?
Roger N
3:17 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Greg T: Homosexuals neither demand your acceptance nor your endorsement of their lifestyle. They simply want the same rights as everyone else. If that seems irrational to you, then the whole of the civil rights movement must be beyond your grasp as well.
Greg T
3:52 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
We don't demand your acceptance or endorsement, but you must accept us like the civil rights movement. No demands here. Do you see how illogical your statements are?
Civil Rights were because some people were treated as sub human based on the color of their skin, not the content of the character. Homosexuality is a behavior, not a being. There is no homosexual gene. There is a black gene. We know who will be black, white, brown etc before birth. We don't know who will become gay. That is a scientific fact. There is another scientific fact. It takes a male gene and a female gene to reproduce life. Exclusive homosexual relationships produce no offspring. A black male and black female create a black child. A white male and a black female produce a child. Blacks and whites belong to the same race, the human race. Homosexuality is a behavior not a state of being. I'm sorry but your statement about equating the civil rights movement with accepting homosexuality isn't the same scientifically or morally speaking.
JamesMichael
3:53 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@ Greg T
1) Please list the “homosexual groups out there who [sic] would like to eliminate all barriers to sexual exploitation”.
2) What bearing does political, social, professional success within the Gay Community have on the matter at hand?
3) Why is it a SPECIAL obligation of the Gay Community to condemn NAMBLA?
4) Republicans, Democrats, Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc have “agendas”.
Why then do you scorn some perceived "gay agenda"?
5) Gays do not “demand that all people accept/endorse them.
We demand, simply, that The State accord us the full panoply of civil rights & privileges.
Please explain why this distresses you?
6) You tend to use “they”, as though the Gay Community were some unitary body endorsing some one, true, holy, and apostolic creed. But this isn’t so. We are as varied as are heterosexuals; and we vary likewise in our tolerance for ignorance, bigotry, and hate.
Why is it so important for you to believe otherwise?
Greg T
4:55 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
James,
I've already mentioned one group that would like to eliminate a barrier, NAMBLA. What say you? Are they right or wrong?
Clayton Gibson
4:10 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
There is a big difference between being gay and being a pedophile.
Greg T
4:52 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
By what moral authority do you make that statement?
Why is pedophilia bad? There are cultures out there today that don't find anything wrong with a 12 year old getting married to a 50 year old.
There are cultures that believe polygamy is a good thing. Is polygamy good or bad?
If it is about love and feelings, then can't a 50 year old and a 12 year old "love" each other?
Of course there is a difference between being a pedophile and gay. The question remains, who gets to legitimize one and demonize the other? By what authority or set of beliefs?
Charles Schwable
7:48 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
They both lead down the same road: perversion
Steve G
5:09 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Greg-- just stop- really man- stop being an ignorant fool
JamesMichael
5:19 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@Greg
I get to legitimize the one, and not the other.... And so do you. It is the difference between consensual intimacy between adults, and the exploitation of a minor. And please don't quibble with words, here. A minor is vulnerable to all manner of ploy that an adult is likely to be on guard against.
Incidentally, intimacy with a drunk, one mentally or emotionally challenged, a parishioner, a student, etc., is sanctioned for that same reason.
JamesMichael
5:30 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
@ Greg T
We both know and condemn NAMBLA. Your comment intimated, however, that there were other organizations that would condone/promote pederasty. I know of none. But since you say there are such, I merely ask you to list them. It is a reasonable request; and one to the point of your comment of 1:32 today.
p.s.
This thread has become rather cumbersome. I am happy to stand on my comments and add no others. The case, I believe, has been made that you tend towards an intemperate rhetoric. I 'll leave it for others to assess your comments as against mine.
Over and out.
Pete
8:30 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
This is the problem - the "moral compass" quoted by most religious types only applies to THEIR compass. Meaning, whatever church they belong to - all others are wrong and condemned. My moral compass was crafted by MY interpretation of the bible, what I've been taught, my experiences growing up, and in turn I've passed this along to my kids, not what some preachers interpretation is or what a bunch of hateful hypocrites tell me - the do as I say not as I do bunch.. This is why I have a problem with a majority of churches - it's not the Word I have a problem with, it's the interpretation and context arbitrarily used to fit a particular agenda that is my problem...
To assume being gay is the gateway drug to being a pedophile, polygamist, sexual deviant, etc. is just simple minded intolerance. History shows this intolerance toward minorities and other ethnic groups was as simple minded...
While we are at it, lets ban dancing and music, because we all know it leads to sex and drugs too...
Greg T
3:59 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
It sounds like you're describing yourself, most religious types applying their compass of Bible. You've even taught your kids how to interpret the text differently than a bunch of hypocrites, like those found in a majority of churches.
Gay is not a gateway.
How tolerant are the people here denying others their right to freedom of assembly? If it is just about intolerance to minorities, then why not allow a minority of people to assemble without others displaying their sexual preferences. People who believe homosexuality is as sin don't want to see homosexuals kissing each other on the dance floor. Don't we have JET, BET and the Black Entertainment Awards? If you're wanting to equate homosexuality with the civil rights movement, then allow heterosexuals the right to assemble like blacks can.
How can one ban music and dancing while having a prom? Sounds like an ad-hominem argument to ridicule instead of debate.
Greg T
8:49 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
James,
I thought you were "over and out?" Well I don't know if Charles comments are real or fabricated because of how vile they are, but since your still observing...
I'm not sure how many groups are like NAMBLA as I'm not in the community. Glad you condemn them as well. You made sure to point out the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church for not denouncing their pedophiles, therefore it would seem you'd be willing to do the same for the LGBT community.
Civil Rights will be used to quiet those who believe that homosexuality is wrong. No one can voice their Biblical beliefs or they will face the Civil Rights act and government prosecution. The LGBT community is actively seeking to attack any organization that funds the Boy Scouts or Catholics who oppose allowing homosexuals into leadership positions. It isn't enough for homosexuals to be left alone, they/you demand to be in dominant positions and legitimized by society. There is no way for the Bible and Christianity to be at peace with homosexuals because the LGBT community demands leadership positions and silence on the issues of the sin of homosexuality. Anyone who does not endorse the homosexual lifestyle will be prosecuted. Since you and the homosexual community command the power structures inside American institutions my assumptions is that there is no need for debate any longer. No wonder you are so confident.
Linda McMichael
10:03 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
No matter what one's choice of sexual preference - we are all still human beings. The thought of holding a separate prom for gay people is absolutely repulsive.
Charles Schwable
12:38 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
I disagree Linda, society will never accept Gays being old school like myself, my parents brought me up differently.
EthelToffelmayer
9:57 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Bad news, Charles...society is becoming more accepting of gay folks every day.
What you call "old school" is actually bigotry. I'm sure your parents brought you up better than that.
Charles Schwable
9:55 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Ethel,
Just because society is accepting them doesn't mean I am! No you take the whole old school term out of context! I am over 50 years old and my parents were born in the 1920's if they told me to do something it was for my own good! If God command us not to do something why are we testing his anger, for the ultimate punishment? The second death of your soul?
EthelToffelmayer
6:36 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
I'm sorry to hear this, Charles.
As George Bernard Shaw said, "Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything."
I'm sorry that you see yourself as being incapable of change.
Charles Schwable
3:46 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Ethel,
You seem to forget George Bernard Shaw is human, who created humans in his image? Which man is prone to failure and mistake due to" free will", God has commanded man not to lay with men and women not to lay with women as with a man or face eternal punishment, that is the whole reason Jesus came to die for your sins and the sins of the world, It doesn't matter what the Constitution views as your rights? Peter in the book of Acts said it is better to obey God than Man, Why risk eternal punishment as the rich man in the book of Luke got as punishment?
Linda McMichael
9:57 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Perhaps it's time to walk through a new door, Charles. It's called being humane and respecting another human beings' right to live as he/she is most comfortable. There was a time not so very long ago, that many people, perhaps even your parents - that thought "owning" people with skin a different color than ours was ok. Not so much anymore, huh, Charles?
Charles Schwable
8:42 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Linda,
I am afraid not to ever open that door. That's why I live by myself with my 3 dogs and shun society, I have no positive thoughts for Gays and I have been down this road in college studying constitutional law, their rights is man made and not God's.
Karen Sawyer
8:42 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Charles, I think it's sad that there are small-minded people out there who are afraid to accept different ideas when it comes to their fellow human beings - people who can't or won't adjust their thinking or beliefs as they age. Our parents were only human; they weren't always right. I'm no spring chicken myself, but I choose to accept others based on how they treat me - as a fellow human being. I bet you wouldn't like me even without knowing me only because I am in a wheelchair - I'm "different" so in your mind - I'm flawed. I imagine your parents called people like me "cripples" - didn't they? Something less than their version of a "normal" person.
Reasonable people's thinking can change and mature with the times.
Charles Schwable
9:55 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Karen,
I cannot do something morally wrong as before our US Government twisted the words around the 14th amendment with due process of the law was written during the 1860's for post civil war slaves who became free people, not for every person wanting to change society, I believe as it states in the bible, do not do these things or face decent to judgment for the second death, what will you do condoning Gay people and face God on judgment day and be delivered the ultimate punishment? the secon death of your eternal soul!
Jon Gargis
9:46 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
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